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How many steps must a man walk down, before they can see that he hears?

December 31, 2010 By

Welcome to the Wakefield Doctrine (the theory of clarks, scotts and rogers)

Today’s Post is a little different. Rather than lecture on how the Wakefield Doctrine is the best way for you to understand why the people in your life act the way that they do, we have decided to ask DownSpring glenn to talk to us. This should allow Readers to hear the Doctrine being discussed as it is understood  by one of the group of people who are the foundation of this blog. (If we were to have a Lesson of the Day, it would have said, simply enough, ‘look at the different view of this blog being espoused by glenn’. At some points he seems to be at odds with everything this blog has offered over the past 12 months, but then you realise nothing could be further from the truth. glenn is simply illustrating  the scottian view of the best way to present the Wakefield Doctrine, and thereby demonstrating how  the scottian view varies from the clarklike and the rogerian perspective.’) 

A little stem winding1and then we’ll bring out glenn.
A DownSpring of the original group, glenn has the distinction of having been an integral part of the post-classical development of the Wakefield Doctrine. Like a modern day Dr. Watson2, riding shotgun on the ‘trips to Wakefield’;  that glenn was the impetus that prompted the creation of  this blog is all the references the gentleman needs.

Clark: So 2010 is over, dude. what are “the high points” of the last year of the things we have written and done from, at least from your scottian perspective?
Glenn: Anything that was funny. All the comical stuff. And I liked that we got all these other people involved now.

Clark: Would you care to elaborate on that rather over-arching assertion? (Examples…)
Glenn: The funniest thing you wrote all year was that time you tried to channel me. It was all “fuck this” and “fuck that”. I laughed out loud at that.

Clark: Now what would you say are the low points?  I need you to be specific to the effect, (of what is getting written), on the group of Progenitors and DownSprings here. We know your thoughts on ‘shaking ’em up’, gettin their attention etc…later for that….we need you to talk about negative effects on the people we know are here…including our putative Readers…btw I notice that Studley don’t come around no mo.
Glenn: The low points? Easy—censoring a fucking genius like me. You didn’t do it often. You NEVER needed to do it. I know we disagree about this. But good stuff was lost. Too bad about Studley. He stuck around until the censoring started. Not saying it was causal—just time related.

Clark: So for 2010 overall what is your assessment…not so much from a ‘style influence’ but the increasing understanding of the Doctrine and from that, the implied utility of it.(you need that translated)?
Glenn: The Wakefield Doctrine sells itself. The blog set-up however seems to discourage and confuse new readers. You try to give an abbreviated explanation with every post. Not sure what the solution is.

Clark: Truth be told, you are as well-versed on the Doctrine as anyone and you have the perspective of a professional in the counseling field, or sport…you know, industry. You also were the catalyst to naming this the Wakefield Doctrine, you remember the the conversation that lead to this thing?  (about this not sounding serious enough for the real world)?
Glenn: I do remember that discussion. And many others before it in which I would encourage you to write a book, or a journal article. The blog was a perfect alternative—and it is now turning into a community. A weird one, a fun one, but it IS a clark at the helm. The blog mixes in some very appealing humor and lightness with some quite serious thought on the doctrine. The question then is what do YOU want? I like it as it is—an entertaining, light-hearted, fun place to visit. But that necessarily requires us to sacrifice some of the seriousness and gravity of a true psychological construct. The blog as it is will never lead to “serious” acceptance of the doctrine by scientists, researchers, etc.. It is not “evidence-based.” It is “intuition-based”. But, fuck all that science shit anyway. This is “folk science”. It is to formal science as folk music is to formal music. It is accessible. It is not obscure. The blog has some “jargon”, but the spirit of the blog is actually inviting readers to learn the jargon. Scientific writing actually ends up screening out lay people. It is intended to be undemocratic and not inclusive. If you don’t know the jargon—get the fuck out!

Clark: Are we getting any closer?  If the decision were made to take the Doctrine, have it printed professionally and go out on the road to whoever the fuck you sell new modalities to nowadays…(not counting academia)  You know counselor conventions.
Glenn: See, I’m not sure that’s a reasonable thing to pursue. At least, not along the “timeline” we’re in now. The WD is an entertainment concept now. Not a scientific or therapeutic one. And I think that’s fine. To pursue being taken seriously in the therapeutic community, you’d have to do research, testing, etc… All very dreary boring stuff—for what? To get some roger professors to like us? Fuck that. Let’s make it the best entertainment concept we can—and also include some therapeutic and real world applicability—without all that boring scientific discipline.  

Clark: Hey what do the hospitality suites at counselor conventions look like?  There gots to be guys selling services to people like the folks you work for…how do they pitch whatever they sell?
Glenn: Brochures. Pamphlets. Usually staffed by clinicians at the facility being advertised. I’d advise staying away from such contexts and continuing to use the web—in all of its’ various channels, to push the message.  

Clark: Heard you are a fan of the Secessionist Rag…what do you like the most about it? Hate the most?
Glenn: I like roger’s writing style. I like the mundane shit he writes about. He writes well about music,.

Clark: Anything you want to talk about that we have not covered and that you have not addressed in Comments?
Glenn: I guess nothing I haven’t said before. Beware of The Lenny Bruce Syndrome. At the end of his career, he was so consumed with his legal cases, he stopped being funny. He thought his legal cases, and the principles involved mattered to people. They didn’t. They bored people. He got booed off of stages because he wasn’t funny anymore. So my message is—enjoy the blog. Make it fun. Keep it fun. Be serious from to time, but never stop being interesting, amusing, fun, and accessible.  Aiight mutha fucka?

The Wakefield Doctrine is, quite simply, the most useful of tools for anyone interested in understanding the behavior of others. Simple in concept, easy to learn, this Doctrine will have you saying, “man, why did I never realise that all they were after was attention“? or “she has a need to belong to a group and the whole religious thing was just her way of believing that the universe followed rules and that being a good person meant following those rules” or even  “I am not different, I do not have to hide in plain sight, the world has a place even for me. Just knowing how those real people think and feel is the missing piece of the puzzle.”

Lets thank glenn for the time he gave to add to this thing of ours. I was thinking of going on and on and maybe include a contest or perhaps a vote on ‘should glenn do this or do that’ but that would be stupid. glenn has expressed his views directly and honestly, as he must, being a scott. And we appreciate having him be a part of this here blog here. So, lets just get some music and get on with the day….and DON’T FORGET! You will see rogers out there today, and then you will see scotts and, if you are still in any condition to do so, you can spot the clarks, before they scurry back into the undergrowth. Remember what you see today, don’t bother telling your friends, just come back here and tell us in a Comment what you think.

1) stem-wind·ing  adj. 1. Wound by turning an expanded crown on the stem.   2. Of, relating to, or characterized by rousing oration

2)  Watson is described as a crack shot and an excellent doctor and surgeon. Highly intelligent, if lacking in Holmes’s insight, he serves as a perfect foil for Holmes: the ordinary man against the brilliant,  emotionally-detached analytical machine. Conan Doyle paired two characters, different in their function and yet each useful for his purposes.
Watson is well aware of both the limits of his abilities and Holmes’s reliance on him:

      “ Holmes was a man of habits… and I had become one of them… a comrade… upon whose nerve he could place some reliance… a whetstone for his mind. I stimulated him… If I irritated him by a certain methodical slowness in my mentality, that irritation served only to make his own flame-like intuitions and impressions flash up the more vividly and swiftly. Such was my humble role in our alliance.”            – The Adventure of the Creeping Man   (Wikipedia, of course!)
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Rinji news o moshiagemasu! Daishkyu hinan shite kudasai!*

December 28, 2010 By

Welcome to the Wakefield Doctrine (the theory of clarks, scotts and rogers)

I will begin this Post by stating, without the slightest fear of contradiction that it is never dull here at the Doctrine! Self-referential, inside joke(y), semi-private conversation(al), maybe…but dull? No, no and no!
Can we help it that there are at present only about 6 ‘people’ who submit Comments, make suggestions, proffer criticism? Huh, can we? Yeah, you’re goddamn right we can’t! We are all doing our best to get the message out about the theory of clarks, scotts and rogers and while there may be some small, little, hardly-noticeable-amount of room for improvement to how we present this blog, we are quite proud of all our efforts here. Thank you. We have been hard at work at this blog for nearly a year and a half now ( damn! how many Posts is that?) and we see a lot of progress in most areas.
Except one.
Area.
That needs improvement.
We are talking about the number of Comments from Readers, maybe frequency of Comments is a better way to put it. In other words, how often there is a Comment from a person who is not either:

  1. a Progentior (3)
  2. a Downspring (5)
  3. a Friend of the Doctrine (10)

Not a very large number? No, no it is not. But it is about a Seventeen Hundreths Increase over the last 18 months. So I think it is safe to say we are all happy with that order of increase.
The Problem? Who said there was a problem? Oh, yeah! thats right. The reason for bringing the issue up now, at this particular moment? End of the year, of course…silly.

The End-of-the-Year Week is almost without exception full of Posts that strive for:

  • Introspection
  • Critical Reflection
  • Metric-centric Reflection on 4Q progressive Action Item Implementation

Can’t say with any real certainty that it is true in all cultures, but pretty sure that in (this) current Western Culture, the Last Week of the Year is traditionally the Week of Milestones and (past year’s) Accomplishments. We tend to get all, “so what have we accomplished in the last year? Newspapers run their, Stories of the Year or a Obituary of Famous People ( “Look Whos not Talking Now”! )
The Official Blog of the Wakefield Doctrine is no exception! In this final week of 2010 we are walking around asking ourselfs, “What did we do really well, what produced the most intense feeling of suckation and what do we hope to do next year”?
(Actually this last item is a Post in and of itself, customarily the much more, the Last Post of the Current Year. (Hold that thought, wait a minute!…thats what we need glenn to write a Post on! Damn. glenn!! yo!! NO! shit!! don’t answer outloud!  Do not look around your office, just keep reading this…act like nothing funny is happening…(ha ha) glenn, dude… look in your email after 1:00 pm this afternoon. Instructions to follow.)

What have we Done the Best? in this, the Year of the Pancreas? We have continued.
We’ve  had days of with very good, thought-provoking Posts and  well-written Discussion-inspiring Comments. We had months of a-post-a-day writing jag, producing some fairly odd Content. We had a new blog geek, hell we may have even changed the very look of the blog site itself!1
We have really had a busy year in 2010! What am forgetting? I know! Bullet Points!

  • the Wakefield Doctrine went out on it’s own, webhosting-wise. We left the shelter of the free, ‘no-you-can’t-do-that’  free blog hosting of WordPress.com
  • self-hosting and therefore independent a lot of potential became available to us, we immediately went with music videos with every Post!
  • got our first blog Consultant…which was helpful at first but then we got (client)down-graded and assigned to some whiney geek who tried to call us lame….goodbye!
  • got another Consultant…(have we done a Post yet on how clarks build others up beyond realistic expectations and then stand back and act surprised when they let us down)?
  • well, we do/she did/our fault/whatever
  • found a really good looking “theme’ (which is the overall style of the blog) called Branford…liked it a lot and, of course, had to change it! (jeez! they put us in charge of these things?)
  • Hats! (and) Right of Hat!! Joanne was the first and because of her initiative is the proud title-holder to the District of Columbia!  and Mel (part of “Michigan”) and DS#1…parts of EF EL AY

I could go an and on…and probably will, but I was trying to make a point at the beginning of this Post. What was it…oh yeah…Encouraging Readers to Comment.

Readers! Yes I mean you. We know you are out there. Do us a favor and let us know what you think of this here blog here. 
I know that facebook has little icons that show a ‘thumbs up’ to help people express their approval. Very clever. But since we don’t have any of those, what we need you to do is this:
at the bottom of this Post is a ‘Leave a Comment’ place, why don’t you go ahead and leave us a little Comment. No, this Post! It does not have to be well thought out, no you really shouldn’t need to think about it. There is not a test. Just put in your name and email and then write something to us. The email address? No one sees that except for me when (your Comment) comes in for “Moderation”. Thats the function that I control that glenn is such a big fan of…I look at everything that comes in and then hit: approve.

So, go ahead and do this for all of us here at the Doctrine. CY? Terri? Doung? Mel?, Jason? Ronin? Kino? all you FODs  come on guys we’re counting on you.

…’Kay Mr. B?…lets get these feets a-movin…

1. Have we mentioned anything about my little, really-not-such-a-big-thing, (don Juan thinks it is the way to go), problem with remembering the Past? Didn’t huh? Well, I kinda don’t bother paying attention to things after they happen. Actually an old habit, clouding one’s personal history it’s called. Totally believe in it! Has really helped in the last few years…but not so good when writing a Year-In-Review Post like this one!  Oh well. Whataya gonna do?

* Hey, figure it out yourselfs! Do I look like ‘the google’? I’ll bet the Progenitor roger gets it right away.  Alright, one hint: Blue Oyster Cult

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December 24, 2010 By

Welcome to the Wakefield Doctrine (the theory of clarks, scotts and rogers) for our second frickin Christmas!

Damn…  a whole year!
Those of you who have been with us over the last 12 months, no doubt feel the same sense of astonished appreciation that seems to come with every Doctrine Post at this time of year. And since the Christmas Season, in this culture at any rate,  conveys a certain license to those of us not gifted with the ability to clearly convey emotions, let me at least try to say how much we have enjoyed the benefit of the people associated with this here blog here.
It is not so much what the people here at the Wakefield Doctrine have done over the past year, rather it is how much they have taken this thing to be theirs and (conversely) given of themselves to it;  all  in ways while not spectacular nor dramatic or grand, are somehow more impressive. I am most grateful for what appears, from my clarklike perspective, to be the natural assumption of being a part of that all the DownSprings and Progenitors and Friends of the Doctrine show in what they have written and said and contributed to the Wakfield Doctrine. More a job for the roger to express, I am nonetheless moved. And I will say simply,  that I feel that no matter what we do in the coming year, my life is immeasurably better for having met and been a part of this blog with all the people involved.

So, quick out. Did somebody say, ‘re-gifting’? Here is part of what we did last year:

Angola…Feliz Natal e (feriados felizes do específico da cultura)!
Australia..Merry Christmas and Happy (culture specific) Holidays!…on the barbe
Belgium…Vrolijke Kerstmis en Gelukkig (kweek specifiek) Vakanties!
Bosnia and Herzegovenia… Čestit Božić i Srećna (specifična kultura) praznici! (I hope!)
Brazil….Feliz Natal e (feriados felizes do específico da cultura)!
Canada…Merry Christmas and Happy (culture specific) Holidays!…eh?
China…愉快的聖誕節和幸福（文化細節）假期！
Columbia…¡Feliz Navidad y Feliz (cultiva específico) Feriados!
France…Joyeux Noël et Heureux (cultiver spécifique) les Vacances !
Germany…Fröhlich Weihnachts und Glücklich (kultivieren spezifisch) Feiertage!
Ghana…Merry Christmas and Happy (culture specific) Holidays!…(!click!)
Greece…Καλά Χριστούγεννα και ευτυχισμένο (πολιτισμός συγκεκριμένες) διακοπές!
Ireland…Merry Christmas and Happy (culture specific) Holidays!…go bragh
Israel…חג מולד שמח ושמח (תרבות ספציפי) חופשה
Italy…Buon Natale e Felice (la cultura specifica) le Vacanze!
Philipines…Merry Christmas and Happy (culture specific) Holidays!…(send translation-o)
Slovenia…vesel Božič ter vesel ( kultura poseben ) dopust
Spain…¡Feliz Navidad y Feliz (cultiva específico) las Vacaciones!
Sweden…Munter Jul och lycklig (odla specifik) Helgdagar!
United Arab Emirates…عيد الميلاد قد وسعيد (ثقافة معينة (العطلة?! (dude!)
United Kingdom…Merry Christmas and Happy (culture specific) Holidays! pip! pip!
United States…Merry Christmas and Happy (culture specific) Holidays! y’all!

By Right of Re-Gift, I will use the Don McLean tune ‘American Pie’ (which is odd, as the first time around, could not stand the guy.)

Hey! Somebody go get glenn! He missed a present, musta been behind the couch or something. lol

Wait! Wait!!  Here is a vid that the mutated (among us) will get a kick out of…

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…rally round the family…with a pocket full of shells”…

December 23, 2010 By

Morning all! Or maybe it is afternoon or evening in your geographic location.  Thought I would give our estimable Progenitor clark the day off.   My offering is a simple gesture.  “Gesture” perhaps being the operative word.  But save that for another day……words and vids now from yours truly, Downspring#1.   

…”rally round the family with a pocket full of shells”.  Brings a smile to my face just writing those words.  My significant other (SO) and I have enjoyed the music of Rage Against the Machine since their first release.  Bulls on Parade was yet another catchy (if not cathartic) song you just had to listen to loudly.  Anyway, one day while driving our 2 black labs to the park at the intra-coastal, this song came on the radio.  When it was over I made a comment to my SO to the effect that “wasn’t it odd they’re singing about seashells“?  My SO looked at me, smiled and waited.  Then he started to laugh.  “Wha-a-at?” I blondly asked.  He looked me in the eye and said “not those  kind of shells”  at which point I became hysterical with laughter myself.  Then I felt incredulous that I had been listening to this song for how long? without realizing it was referring to gun shells.  HOLY SHIT!  Could not have tried to perceive a thing so far from the reality of the thing if I tried.  (Note: cryptic clarklike sentence).  What the hell happened that my brain would “hear” words and interpret them in such a way?!  Would it make sense to know I have always loved the ocean and have copious amounts of shells in and around my abode from decades of beach walks?  Of course not!! 

Welcome to the Wakefield Doctrine, the theory of clarks,  scotts and rogers where it is stated and demonstrated that individuals perceive the world in one of three ways.  Mostly.  I won’t repeat the part about where at some point very early in life each of us chooses to perceive the world predominantly through the eyes of a clark, scott or roger.  Where am I going with this?  Perception.  How one perceives the  world, perceives a song or a movie is all about interpretation.  What influences interpretation? Why it is perception.  So, if one had available a simple outline that defined 3 ways in which to view the world then how simple life could be.  Except it is not.

Hey, just got back. Nursing a major cold and needed a brain break. Now with cup of tea in hand I am trying to coalesce my thoughts enough to get back on track, at least next to it.(sure)  Newcomers and or first time readers, this is your chance to start a new year with an absolutely unique and fun way to look at yourself and those around you.  If you can stand there, look in the Wakefield Doctrine mirror and identify yourself as either a clark, scott or roger, I can guarantee you that with a little open mindedness, creativity, gumption and work you can open a world of possibilities.  Huh.  Did I really just say that?  I seemed to have lost my train of thought but then did I not just say I was trying to get back on track?  Until next time.  Better go now as my brain is getting silly.  Hope you enjoy the music.  (Happy Birthday Maurice!)

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXSciAzz3xA
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since you ask, yes there are 3 personality types in the Wakefield Doctrine schema (he said schema, huh huh)

December 21, 2010 By

Welcome to the Wakefield Doctrine (the theory of clarks, scotts and rogers)

The last two weeks of the Year really kinda suck, don’t they? Not in the “the holidays are too commercial and that’s why they suck”  kind of way, not even the “too much pressure to be friendly, when is this going to be over” and especially not in the “not enough time to shop, I must get more presents”. I do not mean that when I make this statement.
It is more of the, “have we written enough Christmas-themed Posts yet, or is there time for one more?” and “oh well, better start on the New Years in review and right after that the 2011 Wish List” Posts.

That’s kind of where we are today. Figure a few more days until Nackles1 puts in his appearance (or not, god willing). No, today is more the kind of day when I know I should be working harder on the Doctrine, but manage to allow myself to get distracted. (see  the footnotes to this Post. Which I might add, took nearly as much time to write as the rest of this  Post).

In any event. At first I thought I would do a Post with a Gift Theme, using music videos as the gift. But once I got past glenn and roger, I realized that as much as people like to see them in each Post, the music videos matter way more to me than they do to anyone else. So, ‘no go’ for the gift Post.

Lately have been giving a lot of thought to the idea of comfort levels. And the Doctrine. Blog.  glenn enjoys taking the line, ‘hey you got to get edgy, shake things up you know do things to get the Reader’s attention’!!!  Of course that is just glenn being as predictable and limited and repetitive a scott as I am being a predictable and limited a clark. While I do not dispute the need for the scottian approach (after all this is the theory of clarks, scotts and rogers) the flaw to what glenn is suggesting (whether he is aware of it or not) is that his (approach) is, in fact, a totally impersonal approach to the Readers.
Yeah, I know! And yes, yes I did just make that statement. Criticizing another for being impersonal…sort of like hearing a roger say, “screw the genealogy charts, let’s go out and just live for today“! But the problem of what glenn suggests is that it is a ‘script of outrageousness’ one created to  make people notice that someone is saying something.  Unfortunately his only (personal) contribution is ‘the nerve’ to say it.  And to his credit, he does the shock stuff really well. I know, I have seen him act like that in public…the scottian bravado. But with no personal investment, it’s just shouting out the window of a moving car…someone else’s moving car, for christsake.
Even still, he is right about need to  not get comfortable, with this thing of ours. Hell, I  give much more credit to AKH, at least she has the nerve to move outside of her own natural environment (scottian female; visual left to Readers) and she doing much to help get the Wakefield Doctrine blog in front of people every day…behind the frickin scenes (to use one of her favorite expressions) The photo we use on her little column ( Hey! A scott is talking! )? It is fairly emblematic of the true nature of  ‘KH’s  approach to her work at the Doctrine.

The Doctrine does tell us that it is a natural tendency for all of us to stay with what we know, nothing revelatory there. But that does not mean that we have to. Stay. With the familiar routine. Which brings us around to my original concern that these Posts are suffering from the same slide into predictability that we are all heirs. You know what we say here at the Wakefield Doctrine:
“…as long as you remember that there is something you have forgotten, then you are not really, yet in trouble…”

Maybe another Post-A-Day thing might get the juices flowing.  See? Right there! That expression, get the juices flowing!  I need a show of hands now.
This expression is characteristic of which of the three personality types: a) cla….lol yeah right!  b) scott  or c) roger? 
Alright, hands down, how many of you said “why a clark, of course!  Yeah, I thought so. This is a perfect example of where my own comfort zone ends and therefore this is where I need to be. Hell I should run there, damnit. As glenn often makes mention of the fact that he, ‘doesn’t get how a clark will look for the un-comfortable in order to develop themselves, to overcome their limitations’.
(Wait a minute. He has made that statement on a number of occasions. And he is a scott…furthermore, we know that them peoples live with excitment levels that would put most clarks and rogers to sleep faster than a tourist party of Samoans in NYC on 9/11.)
The Wakefield Doctrine tells us: as predators, scotts exist in a world of predator/prey, in a world that is essentially hostile. They do not build, they do not farm rather they are solitary hunters who, if the need arises, will gather in packs. However, once the need is removed they will return to the solitary hunt. And even the scottian female is, at the core  a solitary lifeform . (As we have heard from AKH), the scottian female will utilize the enticement of the spider to lure her prey/food/aka rogers to her den (metaphorically etc). But think about that statement. When was the last time you saw a herd of female spiders roaming the countryside, stopping from time to time to have a web-spinning bee? I think not. I think that for a scott to experience that which they exhort the clarks to do, i.e. get out and get crazy, stir things up, these same scotts must spend some quiet time, alone in a group. Try being the blue monkey. As much as we find it difficult to write shit like this, I think I will no longer listen to a scott who has not demonstrated the willingness to go outside their forms. The ones that can do this are truly worthy of our attention.

Music Mr. B.!!   According to the Wikipedia the Poster we have ‘out front’ came to the world circa 1968…do I hear… the…. Chambers Brothers!?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=niDmkXnWdVA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzZHmHqEE7k

1. Nackles   A short, short story by Curt Clark (Donald E Westlake) early influence back in the day of reading constantly, mostly pulp science fiction books, bought at the College Hill book store and a (de-remembered) book store also on Thayer St. This was back in the day… we were in high school, pre-Woodstock fer cryin outloud! It would be a major Saturday trip to Providence, go to the East Side, then (walk!!) down to Weybosset St to another bookstore. To give you a sense of the times, an expensive paperback (only your parents would have bought a Hardcover) was .95 (that’s 95 cents!).  We would spend at least 45 minutes in each store, going through everything. And this was when they ‘invented’ posters.  Of course, I had the inevitable Mushroom Cloud poster (pre-Woodstock, don’t forget) and a first edition of the eponymous ‘Hang in there, Baby’ cat poster. To the credit of my people, the first edition photo had a much more desperately, panic’d kitten than was found in subsequent iterations, you know before the college coeds discovered it.

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