Welcome to the Wakefield Doctrine (the theory of clarks, scotts and rogers)
…Hill cows!!!
I got information and I’m sitting on it. Nothing special… nothing salacious or cool or social status-enhancing or like that, but it does provide an illustration of one of the deficiencies of clarks suffer when in the social environment. We know stuff and we learn and we hear things, but one of (the very few) qualities that we (clarks) are proud of, is the ability to keep things secret/maintain personal confidences. Unfortunately, this quality (also) results in a disability to participate as an active member of society.* ( “clark, can I tell you something and you promise never to tell anyone?” “you are such a good listener, I need to tell someone this…“). It’s not that people of all three worldviews cannot keep a confidence,** what’s interesting about clarks is that we can’t remember the direct and/or specific life-lesson to not repeat the things that are told to us in confidence. We just realized, at some point, that our ‘not repeating things we are told’ is considered a good and valued quality by the real people in our lives. And so we are told things. But we have trouble asking people about their lives, past a certain….public level. But, the thing we don’t have, is that natural inclination to participate in the commerce of social interaction…. it (information about the members of the group) is the both the binding force and the reward for those who willing become part of the herd. You know, as I re-read this, in my ‘edit’ mode (ha ha)… I’m thinking, ‘yeah this quality is good… for them.’ Years ago, someone I knew, (a clark), said to me, ‘you need learn how to take’.
holy smoke, what a writing newb am I!! why didn’t I know about ‘The Proust Questionnaire’??!!
Here is Proust’s Questionnaire:
- What is your idea of perfect happiness? (‘what’s it to you?!)
- What is your greatest fear? (“not having answers to questionnaires…“)
- What is the trait you most deplore in yourself? (“tolerating questions like this….no, that’s not true… it’s believing that I should tolerate a question like that…hey, I’m a clark“)
- What is your motto? (actually this last was Question # 35 (!!) I want to think up something clever, but I’ll have to get back to you
and so, if I’m reading the wikipedia correctly, if we ask the characters we create in our writing, these questions, the result will be: a) more compelling characters or 2) our grasp on reality is further eroded to the point that we’re not certain who, among those we meet on this internet, is actually real and who is a work of fiction.
OK… at some point, I need to mention gratitude and such.
Big Gratitudinous Item: We heard from ClairePeek! A Friend of the Doctrine from way back…. maybe even the 1st generation! (The first generation refers to the point in this blog where people learned about/taught themselves the Wakefield Doctrine (sufficiently to see the clarks, scotts and rogers in their own, personal, ‘real’ worlds), without having come into contact with me directly. Very impressive!)
Biggest Hypo-Grat Item of the Week: it’s snowing today. Not just the cover-the-grass-in-white, snowing, like last night, no! it’s the couple of inches…. track it into the house, brush off the car level of snow… not happy for this weather. Here, here’s a pitcha:
not so much the snow on the ground… the snow in the trees! that’s the discouraging part
(Item? damn… totally did not think of the Tenification of my Post)
…hey! just got off the phone with an agent and I helped her, without feeling bad afterwards! so that’s 3 Items in itself! (a) being able to help, 2) remembering to engage the other person, not just spout information and 3) accept the fact that it’s alright to not be nice all the time…
wow! this is one confusing TToT post!
ok…one more Thankful Item… (god! the Guard Virgins are gonna kill me for this Post…. hope it’s that new one! She seems kinda….sincere about her role***)
ok lets try to organize this here TToT Post here:
- I’m privileged to be a co-host at what is nothing less than the best ‘hop in the blog-o-sphere!
- Readers who will read, knowing that a post from the Doctrine is at times confusing, while recognizing the good intent… to provide insight of some sort (self or other)
- Christine and her ‘doing cool things and writing about them’…. i.e. road trips! (one of my favorite life concepts)
- old friends visiting back… our Ms Peek
- vidchats and meeting virtual friends in as close to the ‘real’ world as I’m likely to get… last night Lisa! in da house… (fortunately I had Denise and Z and Ms Rogers to provide the social enjoyment factor)
- help from friends (see item 5)
- job where I can practice my Doctrine…. no, I still always forget at times, but I’m remembering that I’m forgetting more frequently and that’s hugely encouraging
- Cyndorito and our Ms Rogers clarks on the frontier of their own personal journey taking notes and sending them back here
- the work I do that allows me the chance to get a photo like the one at the top of this post (seriously! I was driving along in rural CT and even though the land was pretty flat and clear on both sides of the road, I was, like right on top of the area where I took the photo…. and yes, I was yelled to myself ‘ holy shit!! Hill cows!!!’ while trying to brake the car and find my camera… )
- 1.3, binyons! 1.3
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* we’re using the word society in the sense of any group of people, at work or school or the store… the people we are friends with and associate with… that kind of society
** the ‘everything Rule’
*** once again, I have no idea!
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Frist?
Frist!
OK, now that I have that “Oh, good, something easy to comment” out of the way. . . I must say that I breathed a bit of a sigh of relief when I saw the numerals. 1-10. I can understand that. I must admit, though, sometimes I identify so much with the descriptions of clarks that I think, “Am I really a roger with a secondary clark, or a clark with a secondary roger?” No, I’m a roger with a secondary clark–but I have wondered sometimes if I have some huge sign that I can’t see that says, “Will listen and not tell.” I could definitely relate to your opening paragraph.
Kristi
…hold that thought! I will be (trying) to explore the nature of secondary (and tertiary) aspects in the coming days (in-between Posts for the Three to Tea blog Challenge)… and not simply because I’m a clark (clark motto: ‘if I can know all things, maybe I’ll know the thing that all the real people apparently know and become a real person myself’) and I like to think about things, but also because if I can understand how I happen to come to have a significant secondary scottian aspect (as you have a significant secondary clarklike aspect) I can improve how ‘integrated’ I can become with the qualities of ‘the other two’.
(current thinking would hold that, for some reason, in the course of my early childhood development, I was exposed to/experienced the worldview of the Predators/scotts and therefore developed some of those skills. Now living in the world of the Outsider, the occasion where these skills come out is usually in extreme duress. and, I have always thought that, as a roger, having a secondary clark would be more trying than my being a clark with a secondary scott… if we better understand how we manage to experience the world, then perhaps it’s possible to develop the skills and strategies, perceptions and relationships with the world as all three, while remaining true to our original/predominant worldview…. ya know?)
New information! The Proust Questionaire – must “look it up”.
And the telling is in the (your) answers. Becawz…you answered as most clarks would. Which makes me curious as to how scotts and rogers would answer those same questions. What a learning place!
Yes! Claire was 1st Gen. and a busy clark. There is a preponderance of clarks running around who “return to school” lol I daresay this speaks to the worldview of clarks. (why they didn’t finish the first time and/or why the supplementation).
I really like the cow pic.
More snow. Poor, poor pitiful you….
lol
can’t make up my mind which I like better so, lets hear both… ‘like a Waring Blender….’ lol
One more…
Why won’t mine look like a video???
…allow me
Well there you go. I can’t even think on the Proust questionnaire – congested as all get out. And WHAT is with the snow??? We got like eight inches here yesterday.
Tough call on these different versions of this tune. Ronstadt always has a particular charm for me – great pipes. But the Zevon is pretty great. Not sure why I remembered the Terri Clark version – definitely a more contemporary country spin, but still kind of fun. Maybe the “funnest” of the three.
fun little side thing (one of the things I like about the TToT, you never know when something out of left field pops up)…thanks for the 3rd version…
My book club was cancelled last night, but I wasn’t up to seeing my bloggie friends face to face last night. I mean, what if. . . . . .? Not sure if that’s Clarkish or Scottish.
well, I can say, not scottian* lol. a scott is always fascinated by their reflections (glass or video) and never tire of the hunt (when simply exhausted they will curl up in a den and make sure that no one thinks to disturb their rest).
that leaves clarklike or rogerian…. (hey! thank you! you’ve provided us with an opportunity to illustrate the ‘Everything Rule’!!** Now the intent of the role is not, in fact to give us a shortcut…’hey, everyone does that!’ no maam! the Everything Rule charges us with making the effort to see the world as the other person is experiencing it. and in your example of not being up to a semi-unknown social intereaction we must consider the three (different) ways that it will manifest, in each of the three worldviews… I’ve provided the scottian example, would you care to try the rogerian or clarklike?)
* (sco-shun)
** ‘everyone does everything, at one time or another’
I guess that means my shy and invisible self is definitely Clark. Not wanting to be ignored but not the center of attention. Rogers would want to be part of the herd, yes? That or I am totally gone bonkers, which is a defnite possibility given I am so interested in understanding this Doctrine.
yes…. to the part of rogers being of the Herd, not the gone bonkers (well, maybe that too). As to wanting to understand the Wakefield Doctrine as being an indication of that… well, yes and no…lol
Snow, how awesome!! But.. It’s spring now! Or not? Question to muse over: why is the local winter forest run in perfect weather and sunshine on the second day of spring??
this winter has been long (in our area) not simply in duration, but in lack of variation (warm spells and moderating temperatures in March)
I love the idea of this linkup which I have not stumbled upon before. I hope to join in soon. And I can see I am going to have to read up on this whole Wakefield Doctrine so I can understand what is going on here. :-)
Leslie
Welcome to the TToT!
The TToT is quite remarkable (and fun)… we’re here everything weekend (starting on Friday evenings, actually)…and it’s very new participant-friendly….
as to the Doctrine… there is the fun of this blog 3 personality types based on 3 characteristic personal realities (the Outsider/clarks, the Predator/scotts and the Herd Member/rogers) we all have the potential of all 3, settle into 1 (reality) but retain potential of the other two… and, once you get the hang of the characteristics of the 3, people who you know have never been within 100 miles of this blog will be like, totally acting as the a described… fun! if you like people watching, you’ll totally get a kick out of our little personality theory.
Yeah, sorry but I got nuthin’, although I do like cows and am quite enamored with Warren Zevon.
NP…. (who doesn’t like Warren Zevon?) hey!! never mind the cows!! give me a word that starts with the letter B that would make all the difference in the world for your understanding of our little Doctrine!
how about the Barnum Effect? I believe it has something to do with the quote “we have something for everyone.”
or how about bias? At times there seems to be a definite bias against Rogerianism here.
BEHAVIOR. yeesh, at least give me a challenging letter.
Lol…always lol.
yeah? like a 1st year pledge in the ‘bad frat’ you already tore up the alphabet with xanthipian
“Look im a zit!”
lol
weird, I didn’t see the movie (more than once) back in the day, but something about this clip just cracked me up
I’m trying not to take it personally that my blog is crossed out in the “your hosts” section under the TToT badge….
But it’s PRETTY snow!
yeah! what the hell!! Did I not send my check*?
* get the ‘real’ link to Backsies for a nominal fee of only….
lol
Aww, Clarkito, I made your list here! :D
Anyways, life. It is so insane right now. We may have found a house over in Jackson County. closing May 5. No probs. AIIEEEE!
In reference to the other things: John and I were talking about that recently: how do we protect our sanity when EVERYONE wants to confide in us? This was one of my downfalls when I was working at the public elementary school a few years ago: EVERY teacher would tell me their woes when I went into their classroom. (Not while I was teaching, but afterward). I heard their woes day in and day out and it ATE at me. I felt so bad and felt like the environment was SO toxic, this was one of the leading reasons I quit. :P
But…I have hardened my exterior a bunch since then. And have learned stress management techniques that I didn’t have in place at the tme…
oh! for a second (the first time I read your comment I ‘read’…. “I use magnetic strips” lol)
“the thing we don’t have, is that natural inclination to participate in the commerce of social interaction” ORLY?
well, if the truth be known, I was being kindly to our people.
hey does anyone else have a difficult time remembering people’s names (on first introduction)? I do and have to make a deliberate conscious effort to do so… that and ‘that natural inclination’ that we don’t have…. kind of a matter of the effects of Outsider-hood, I’m thinking
But…I LOVE making connections and talking to people. Perhaps I’m more scottian than I think.
I did not say ‘make connections’ I used the words: ‘participate in the commerce of social interaction’
we clarks loves to make connections… like children standing on the sidewalk in front of the display window of the world’s biggest toy store we know that we would have fun and enjoy and even have friends to share that joy with…. when we grow up and earn money that allows us to buy the toys and games and such
engaging in commerce requires an exchange of values (value of a good in exchange for a symbol of transferrable value)… ‘we would pay anything for….’ but there is a secret reality in the marketplace, centered around the perception of value. in a sense everyone exchanges what they have of value for something that is desired. the trouble with clarks is that we (often) are not convinced of the intrinsic, inherent, immutable value of what it is we think we have (to exchange)… we have a tendency to share to an excessive and, ultimately self-devauling degree the things we have to ‘exchange’ in this social interaction.
ya know?
Ish. I think I got lost in the middle.
no, that was me… trying to write my way from one perspective (over) to another (related, but different) one
AH ok
more to follow…. it’s about, of course, a clark’s relationship to the world around them
…and something about haggis, who have one leg longer than the other so they can run around the mountain without falling down.