Welcome to the Wakefield Doctrine (the theory of clarks, scotts and rogers)
“…’walk the boy, Lassie, walk the boy’, like I got nothing better to do”
“…So there’s this Roger in my life, (with a strong Scottian aspect), who always asks my Clark for her opinion, because Clarks know a lot about things. But she never opts for my opinion. What’s going on there? Plus I have another little scenario. I’m remembering a party I had at my new house with some neighborhood acquaintances. There was a guy, a member of the Volunteer Fire Department, (rogers right?-rule follower?) As we took the tour, he commented on how I should have this or this or this instead of that. I thought it was unsolicited advice and it annoyed me. This same person wore earplugs at a wedding recently because he thought the music was too loud. So Clark, what is your opinion? (Must be my Rogers talking)?” (Val ‘My Virtual Vineyard’ )
“…I’m here again. I like to read. And since I am of a Clarkian nature, I am permitted to observe, correct?” ( Jen Kehl ‘Jen Kehl’ )
” …that’s very interesting about the roger-scott dynamic. …as a clark, try to be honest (sometimes to my utter detriment) and perhaps there HAVE been situations where I’ve said that and…it was awful. I said that a couple years ago when I went to a training and I hadn’t been “trained” and they “put me in charge of a group” – I acknowledged that I hadn’t had much training and that I probably didn’t know what I was doing. This is precisely why – I’ve figured out – the roger of the group strong-armed me and totally walked all over me. I was so mad…I didn’t let him have it, though. :P” (Cynthia ‘…the ‘tude, of course! ‘ )
We are very fortunate to have outstanding Comments. It’s almost as if they write a got portion of the Posts that you’ll find here! (I believe all of the Commentationers on the Post today are in possession of some form of Official Wakefield Doctrine fashion items… tres cool!) So, …to the Comments!
Hey… running out of time!! (What to do, what to do? …. did I hear someone say BULLET POINTS!!!!)*
(As a Reply to All Comments, sub-sections of Comments, inferences, innudenae and ‘my point is as plain as the nose on your face’, …in no particular order**):
- ‘the Everything Rule’ cautions us to not assume that there is anything in life that is exclusively of one of the three worldviews, instead, we are charged with asking the critical question, ‘how does, (fill in your choice of activity/hope/aspiration/ambition/occupation/avocation/favorite pastime/bad habit or famous saying), manifest in that person’s predominant worldview?’
- having said that, there are ‘things in life’ that is more worldview-friendly to one personal reality over ‘the other two’ worldviews, i.e. rogers make ‘the best’ firefighters, scotts make ‘the best’ cops and clarks… and clarks…. and… lol (hold on!! it’s there…er ‘clarks make the best something something …’)
- there is hope! the Wakefield Doctrine encourages us, not to become something we are not, but to become more of what we may be… the Doctrine maintains that, while we all grow up and live in one worldview (our predominant worldview), we retain the potential of ‘the other two’
- …it is not easy….worse! it’s not natural (which is why clarks have a bit of an edge on scotts and rogers when it comes to self-developing ourselfs
- (giving) un-solicited advice is common with rogers, however the key question is “…exactly how annoyed” (that’s not phrased precisely as it should be… the everything rule for something this…small?!! absolutely!
- ‘it annoyed me’:
- scotts: …what??! lol fuck you!
- clarks: (“what a jerk, doesn’t anyone else hear what a jerk that guy is being…I have half a mind to say something, if I did, it would be…”)
- rogers: ‘huh… maybe I should help everyone put what this guy is saying into a more useful context, he’s clearly over-stepping his bounds”
- is this still on? holy smokes! it works! nested-damn-bullet-points!!
- clarks are, in fact, sought out for opinion (and, more often, as a sympathetic listener…no matter what the issue or who the person is, clarks listen better than anyone! now, before you object! note! I did not say ‘clarks listen…and help/make the speaker feel better/come up with a plan’ just that we listen. (of course, this single trait is beyond price, if I may be so bold… there are times when a person simply needs to speak of things, that’s what clarks do so well. (the listening, not the speaking…lol)
- clarks are permitted to observe….hell! we do that by virtue of our reality… the real challenge is in taking what we learn and tricking ourselves into identifying with the people and activities and things that we observe… that’s when the real change, the true benefits of the Wakefield Doctrine are to be found!
* Thank you Christine… not that you really said it, but, had you been in the metaphorical auditorium, there is a better than even chance you would have been yelling, “Bullet point this sucker so we can get to the payoff… I paid good money to get in here and I want the secret!!”
** hey, If there’s one thing that I think I’m coming to understand about this personality theory business, it’s, ‘trust the Readers to understand, if they don’t then it’s up to them to ask’ (thanks Molly!)
About clarkscottroger
My mind is drawing a comment blank today, but cool Lassie photo! (My dad used to ask his dog–when it was time to go outside for a bit–“Is Timmy in the well?” His dog would start barking and jumping around. It was a great party trick!)
lol
…is there any chance that your Dad was a clark?
I too am drawing blank because I think it is covered so completely it leaves me without questions. I do want to fill in Clark’s make good shrinks. We listen and in true psychological models are often not there to work solutions but rather provide a sounding board for those people who are talking to figure it out for themselves. We do not reassure, We do not push our agenda… We listen and observe and reflect back as a cognitive mirror of sorts. Of course I may be a bit biased….lol.
yeah I think I get what you’re saying… it’s got to be an interesting line of inquiry, ‘what is happening (within the speaker) when engaged with an non-critical, un-biased listener… are they (unconsciously providing something to the relationship?) or… maybe it comes around to two of the most currently critical concepts here at the Doctrine: ‘identification and ‘…how (the person) is relating themselves to the world around them’
ya know?
Thanks for the clarifications. OBTW – Should the Wakefield Doctrine hat need a tropical vacation in Aruba, I may be the vehicle. :)
you know… I checked the Wakefield Doctrine Fashion Vault* and I saw (1) Wakefield Doctrine docTee and (1) Wakefield Doctrine hat (“…for your damn head”) but mn kb’v b
(that was my scottian associate at work… where were we? on rogerian hat)
I never could understand Scotts. I need that translate button mn kb’v b????
… she’s scott! (that, as our scottian friends will attest to, is all the explanation that is any use)… my problem was that I was (attempting) to multi-task while working with her on a project… there is no significance to the letters… they just happen to get in her way… lol
Those Scotts don’t like anything to get in their way.
very true… (what’s that I hear in the distance? ‘everything rule’ ‘everything rule’…) lol
none of the three personality types like ‘things getting in their way’, where the Wakefield Doctrine sets itself apart from the more…’mainstream’ i.e. ‘real’ personality systems is that no only can we describe how a person perceives interruption/frustration… but it can tell us how they will express their frustration! (try that Oscar Myers Briggs!)
scotts: hey! get the hell out of there!!!! ( or, ‘mn kb’v b!!!!!’)
rogers: why?? why me?? how can you/them/the world be so cruel!
clarks: (excuse me….)
* At least 1/10 of the posts on the internet would be improved with the use of bullet points.
* I agree, I would make a terrible therapist.
* Val, there’s not much to understand about us. It’s all you other people that are confusing! :)
* What is “mn kb’v b”?? I apparently missed something somewhere.
(I had to use starred points instead of bullet points, seeing as how I am no computer guru that knows how to do such things in a comment.)
Christine
…the ‘Everything Rule’ would disagree with you on Item 2, it’s a matter of definition and, more difficultly it’s an illustration of how all three personality types do things that are not only of a different ‘style’, but I would submit is a different thing… (just in case I wasn’t being confusing enough). I suppose that’s why there are so many schools of psychology (…and sociology and parenting and religion)…lol (I will insist that the Wakefield Doctrine is wonderful because it embraces and celebrates all the various ‘Truths’… comfortable in saying, ‘Hey! here’s one more way to understand the world that you woke up to this morning!’_
“mn kb’v b” is one of your people getting impatient with me… (I was working with my scottian associate at work, she took a call, I started writing a comment, she finished her call, saw what I was doing and became… (I know this will sound so unlikely for your people)…. impatient. lol and simply starting typing on my computer. (like we say: clarks think * scotts act * rogers feel)
I’m with Christine, except I’d say:
*1/4 of the posts would be improved with bullet points.
* I, too, would make a terrible therapist. I’d get bored with your problems and start working
on a grocery list.
*I have no trouble understanding Christine.
*I don’t know, either, but if it involves algebra, I’m out.
Dyanne
(…but you’d, at a certain point say, ‘hey!! patient!! you say you’re (afraid heights??) come on!!! and drag them up the stairs to the roof ‘now!! you stand there in the middle of the roof and watch me!’ (this being the Wakefield Doctrine I don’t need to write out the rest of this scenario, now do I?)
as I mentioned to Christine… there are no bad worldviews… the coolest thing (and most difficult thing) about the Doctrine is that we are saying that the reality you live in is, for all intents and purposes the reality of the Predator…as the world I live in is a personal experience where not only am I ‘the Outsider’ but the world around me is that (for me) too! and… earlier today, Kristi was writing here comment from the place where there are Rules and the world is quantifiable and understandable… i.e. the world of the Herd Member
… someone out there is thinking, ‘yeah, different strokes for different folks’ (probably the scotts)… but that’s only a superficial statement …. your world is, in fact, different from mine. Fortunately the Doctrine says that we all have the potential within to experience the world as do ‘the other two’… not easy but totally possible.
The only difference between me as therapist and you as therapist is I’m making the list in my head and your just writing it out in the open!
why what a nice thing to say!
(plus, as you and I have discussed, there is necessary a context that is immediately perceivable by the client and supported by the world at large that makes professional therapy possible and efficacious… not that the Doctrine can’t be one of the tools in the collection that you people maintain as you ply your trade.) (yo!! the threads on this bolt are totally stripped, this nut is stuck for good…lend me that role-play spanner*, why don’cha!)
* what Lizzi might call a wrench
Well mr. Smart ass…oh did I say that out loud?…. lol
I was actually thinking that characterization may beunfortunatelyence between a Scott and a Clark as therapist. unfortunately grocery lists happen. I suspect more often in a Scottian office!
Yeesh… what happened up there…. that glob is supposed to say” be the difference. “
it’s probably a measure of the standards of rhetoric that I hold myself to ’round here that I figured a meaning that made perfect sense and didn’t give it a second thought…lol
Love you guys! Great conversation! No time! Gotta run!
(spoken by my scottian secondary lol)
hey*
*scottian for: why thank you for thinking that, although I would suggest that I might have better framed my answer to Val by saying, ….
lol
This is a great thread…I have read it all. I understand what’s happening (still in shock over that one). I laughed at the Clark comments. Because…Clarks. But like Jen said, I’m just observing here today. Too busy planning what I’d say to the jerks at the car dealership if I actually called them to tell them I think they’re jerks. Full diagnostic run through a week ago and NOW the freaking fix engine soon thing comes on? AND the wrench? I’m out.
Sorry. It was going to come out sooner or later and this was it.
thanks for saying that, you know, the Wakefield Doctrine (or perhaps it’s better to say, ‘the insights available through applying the Doctrine’) can be helpful in conflict situations. and, of course, I’m not limiting this claim to ‘how to better get along’…. hell no, if you want to really mess with those mechanics.. the Doctrine’s got something for you too! but, seeing as I’m probably showing my less mature side by saying that, I’ll just leave it at… if you want to really mess with their heads, the Doctrine can totally help.
lol