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‘Welcome to the Weekend, binyons, it’s time for’, the Wakefield Doctrine: Ten Things of Thankful (vol. #6)

Welcome to the Wakefield Doctrine (the theory of clarks, scotts and rogers)

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The creation of Considerer (aka Lizzie), Ten Things of Thankful is a bloghop with a difference. This is a bloghop that runs throughout the weekend and, by doing so, manages to accomplish what most bloghops hope in vain, i.e. to create a ‘conversation’,  a sense  of being able to go from one contributor to another, taking from one idea and adding to another…across the rich variety of Comment threads that show up over the next two days. Very cool.

Readers probably sense the tendency of this blog’s contribution to the blgohop to …not follow the normal path. I must insist that we do not ‘get our clark on‘ just to be different, rather it is simply the way that we find most enjoyable as we participate in this bloghop  and the other two (FTSF)1 and (TMTT)2.

That being said, there clearly is the factor of being a clark. And, for a clark, writing a Post telling Readers the things that I feel grateful for is, well that is challenging. Challenging on 2 counts: a) clarks are not known for being open (at least among strangers) and 2clarks and emotion are…well, we’re sort of like the second date. We know that there is something there, we both know we could be compatible, one of us really just wants to get the other in bed and (the other of us) hopes that we can really make a go of it in a mature long term sense, but wouldn’t mind just getting in bed, but doesn’t want to risk it all.

you know, like anyone would!

So here’s my List of 10 Things of Thankful (in bullet-point, no less)(sorry…I felt the bullet pointedness, but clearly this is a numbered list):

  1. …when DownSpring Considerer was having a problem with her blog, I was able offer her this blog to write a Guest Post. (Not such a magnanimous gesture, as I had been thinking about trying to get her to do so for a while)
  2. I got a chance to to have some fun with Wakefield Doctrine approved clothing items…details as the weekend develops
  3. I enjoyed the privilege of persistent and patient friends around me last Saturday, when the Video Midnight Snack kinda didn’t quite work as planned, but thanks to Considerer and Michelle and Cyndi and Denise, I had the opportunity to learn a little bit more about google hangouts
  4. … damn!  this might work, it might not… I am: click here
  5. lol  it frickin worked!  I so am glad of that (cha-ching!)
  6. I could say that I am grateful for being among… tolerant co-bloggers, as there are times when I try things that the part of my brain that represents the ‘don’t get carried away with it, clark’ is screaming: “stop that, and get in this house! this instant!” and so far I have not been blocked from any blogs
  7. Friend of the Doctrine Christine would understand, for which I am totally…. hold on got a call
  8. You know, it is probably a little late to worry about it, but this jumping around is either going to get me 439 visits or get us sent to the secret blog jail that Considerer has managed to spring herself from; I would be grateful for the former, not so much for the latter
  9. I was thinking about completing a hopefully subtle double entendre joke that is contained in the section above the list, but I don’t see Kristi around yet, and she would be my ‘go-to’ for something like that, she so has the kind of sense of humor for that kind of thing (no, not just that she would appreciate it, but she would understand all of what goes into the trying of it, at least from the perspective of a clark… she that kind of cool)
  10. I’m grateful for being at the end of my List. out

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1)  the work of Janine and Kate and Stephanie and Dawn

2) the god-I-wish-I-knew-them-back-in-the-day3 bloggerini Jen and Kristi

3) and had the nerve to talk to them, they both would have been too hot for the ‘you’re not from around here, are you’ clark that I was back then

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Well, what exactly do you want to know? Whether I am a clark or a scott or roger? If you have to ask, then you need to keep reading the Posts for two reasons: a)to get a clear enough understanding to be able to make the determination of which type I am and 2) to realize that by definition I am all three.* *which is true for you as well, all three...but mostly one

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  1. Considerer says:

    I shall take this opportunity to utterly revel in being able to comment here again, and a short moment to stare at you, aghast, jaw hanging open at the moment of realisation that you ever-so-slightly-managed-to-manipulate-that-non-commenting-thing-rather-well-dincha!

    And hey, man, no regrets – you know them NOW dude – time to revel. You’re getting quite the harem of followers and need to focus on snagging a few more y-chrome types to this here doctrine here :p

    And emotion.

    Is it about the *feeling* of it, or the *expressing* of it that’s the struggle. I think I feel very deeply, but maintain cool composure (mostly) because otherwise it might show…adunno…weakness? vulnerability? accessability?

    • clarkscottroger clarkscottroger says:

      @Considerer

      lol (maybe we should continue that gender discussion…. in camera? I think if Denise is out there she will weigh in and I am sure Cyndi and Kristi… wait a minute!! lol) all kidding aside, I think I will invite our resident roger, Michelle to weigh in and (if she’s not on vacation) perhaps Christine has some thoughts…

      the emotion thing is a very interesting (and useful and productive discussion topic) I learn much every time the topic is broached. To help: (IMO) there is a degree of gender difference in the perception of emotion, and some cultural/gender factor in display of same, but there is surely a clarklike… deliberateness in our emotional life that surely warrants further effort…
      more to follow…

  2. Seriously, you did such a wonderful thing for Lizzi and just proves over and over you are just such a nice guy. I am thankful for friends like you seriously and am hoping you are having a wonderful weekend now, too!! And thank you as always for co-hosting this wonderful weekend hop!! :)

  3. Cyndi says:

    Yeah well…a quick study break…cool things to be thankful for. I’m thankful for my good glasses. HAHAHA

  4. Slu says:

    Dude… you crack me up!!! In a good way, you know. Have a great Saturday!!! Slu

    • clarkscottroger clarkscottroger says:

      @Slu

      ..there was a time, not that long ago, when it was thought the internet (in general) and the blogosphere (specifically) was populated by the …odd, intelligent, but a bit eccentric, those with much time on their hands. Of recent years, everyone is online, so it is a happy, interesting place full of…well, people, the everyday people you see…er everyday.

      …we thought we would remind everyone that we never left…. lol

      thanks man.

  5. Before I address the topic of emotion v clarks – the gender issue makes perfect sense when it comes to why there are more women than men (at the moment) consistently participating and conversing about the Doctrine. Culturally, in a general sense, women are considered the nurturers of the 2 sexes. As such, we are inclined to “reach” out more, exchange ideas much more readily. We are less hesitant to communicate our feelings, to help (a stranger), to evolve, to take chances. All of these things pour into the vat that is woman’s creative self-development and evolution. And women like to share. Well, maybe not their men. LOL

    Manifestation of emotion in the personal reality of a clark. We do feel deeply. Very as Lizzie states. And on a level that goes way beyond what most people might think. She is correct, the expression (of emotion) is often filtered through fear of – insert here all of what Lizzie referred to in her comment. In a nutshell, loss of control.

  6. Adding: I’m thankful that bloggers stand with each other and help each other out. I’m also excited to hear more about the Wakefield Doctrine gear.

    One question I wondered: Is there (or will there ever be) a “test§ to figure out what aspect I am??

    • clarkscottroger clarkscottroger says:

      @Stephanie

      yes…I totally agree.

      as to those pesky tests! that has been one of the long running projects, which when I first read your question, my thought…”yeah really got to get to work on compiling questions” but my second thought was more encouraging, in that as I think about it, I have done a couple of Posts that attempt to pose questions that will lead to an accurate identification (of the personality type). That I can’t remember when I wrote them is a problem of a different sort. lol

      The following is a little bit of what might help you arrive a self-indentification. I would be happy to answer questions as I am sure the DownSprings and FOTDs are happy to share what they have learned.
      Plus we have a ‘call-in’ on Saturday Nights… the telephone number is there on the main page somewhere… normal rates apply (which nowadays is not much… it is not a 900 number nor is it an 800 number… it’s in Minnesota lol)

      Call us. Otherwise glad to see you, the TTof T is so much fun cause there ain’t no pressure to Post…

      Get familiar with the characteristics of the three types, caricature and exaggeration are encouraged! Pointing to public figures is helpful, but not as much as you would think, because even though we got to great length to describe the three, what the Doctrine is actually about (and it’s use as a alternate perception of a person’s behavior), comes down to understanding ‘how a person relates themselves to the world around them’. (I always make the point: I did not say ‘how a person relates the world around them’) It’s all about the personal reality that you (or the person you are hoping to better understand) that exists.

      One of the easiest preliminary ‘checks’ on type is the following ‘does this makes sense/do you identify with, this statement: Each day I get up, good mood or bad mood and I think, “the world is out there and I know I will be able to think of something to get through the day” (lol you will know who you are when you answer this question as you will know why some of us find it funny.

      We all pick one worldview and live our lives there, but we all have the potential inherent in ‘the other two’ worldviews, and sometimes people have what we call strong secondary aspects (myself as an example: I have the clarklike worldview as my predominant but I have a strong secondary scottian aspect.) What this means is that in some circumstances I can look for the world to be a scott… but I am not. People do not jump from one reality to another, just some of us will, from time to time evidence traits that are not commonly associated with their predominant worldview. This also accounts for why, sometimes people when they are learning about the Doctrine will come back and say, “Hey I figure I’m a roger…but sometimes I know I am a scott!” the answer: predominant roger with a secondary scottian aspect.

  7. Considerer says:

    @ Janine – didn’t he JUST! :) It was great :)

    @ Clark – let’s talk more then. Sunday at midnight – hangout :D

    @ Girlie – I adore how you keep taking it back to loss of control. You’re so right. You are veryvery good at finding the crux in these things. My life fell apart this year and it took most of a bottle of strong wine for me to really let go and express all that emotion, ffs! Most of a BOTTLE. And this is why I need to learn rogerese.

  8. Hey!!! And I am thankful to connect. Thanks for sharing!

    • clarkscottroger clarkscottroger says:

      @Michelle

      …always. (am working on my ‘hangout skills’ lets plan on a video brunch next weekend…maybe try a Saturday?)

  9. Hang-out! Hang-out! Yeah, let’s have one!!

    Yesterday, Sunday. I was working on the computer. My roger and a “friend” of ours jammed in the afternoon into the evening. (my roger- bass guitar, the other roger – guitar) Anywho, I was teasing the other roger about missing out on the Saturday Night Call In Show. (btw,good call) You can imagine his reaction LOL.
    So I’m just going to pat myself on the shoulder ( and thank the Wakefield Doctrine) for enabling me to “handle” this roger’s “lashing out” – you know that special passive aggressive behavior they sometimes exhibit :D
    As the progenitor roger once told me, and I paraphrase, if a roger throws a dart at you, smile and throw one right back!

  10. @ Stephanie – reading your comment (only), you are a roger.

  11. Considerer says:

    Yes, thanks, I saw that and noted it too :)

    I’m free er. Usually before 6.30 my time and after 10.30.

    What time is it where you are? I’m around now.

  12. Amy says:

    I love gratitude lists, especially when they are done a little differently, like this one! I guess it is hard for a Clark to do this…not really a natural tendency to share your emotions with perfect strangers.

    • clarkscottroger clarkscottroger says:

      @Amy

      exactly! (but) the challenge for (me) is to try and do it anyway, not so much with the intent of ‘learning how to do it naturally’ but rather acquiring an additional way of seeing the world…or something

  13. Considerer says:

    @ Amy – see I’m on the flipside of this. I’m not at all shy of sharing my emotions with strangers, but it’s done in a mindful way – I’m not just spouting and letting anything pour out. I’m actively choosing to share what I share for a good reason. Each time I do it.

    And each time, the boundaries are firmed, breached or both, because I become more comfortable with sharing emotion (roger) but doing it consciously and with intent (clark).

    Anyway, y’all are my friends ;)

    • clarkscottroger clarkscottroger says:

      @Considerer @Amy

      Good point… this ‘recognition’ of other clarks has done more than I think (even () realize… not that there is not a level of ‘non-confortableness’ when I try something like this 10 Things hop… but the knowledge of there being others who I know I can identify with makes a difference. As with most of the things here, I find that if I look at it through the lens I have available I see that there are other clarks… (in a way, living in the reality in which one is an Outsider, almost forces (us) to not be able to recognize others (of our type) having said that, I think that there is a cautious streak that runs through clarks that is a country mile wide…

  14. I just have to say that I think I gleened more from the comments than the post…so let me add this:

    I am thankful for the comment section…not because I didn’t love the post, but because I so enjoy seeing what everyone else has to say, as well as your reponse to it….kind of like a fly on the wall (NOT a chicken coop wall, lest you be confused).

    • clarkscottroger clarkscottroger says:

      @Mrs Always

      I actually agree… (I think we all have a certain kind of fun/satisfaction from writing a Post)… but I know I do it for the Reader, in the sense of what I see reflected back from what I think I am sending out. lol or something like that. I totally give Lizzie the credit for the 2 day idea (about which I admit I had my doubts initially), having two days allows ideas to get established, modified and restated, the result very often is that I get more out of what I write (for example) than I originally had. btw we are learning the ways of google+, an interesting adjunct to a 2 day bloghop would be a Video brunch… the realtime interaction would be fun.

  15. Considerer says:

    @ Mrs Always Random – it does give additional scope (particularly over here at the Wakefield Doctrine) to gain deeper insight and understanding into what it’s all about and meant to be – how it plays out, as it were.

    @ Clark – forced to not recognise one another? Maybe. Or maybe just over cautious supposition. I tend to wander round thinking “Aha – a clark” and yet, you’re right – that ever-present second-guess…

    • clarkscottroger clarkscottroger says:

      @Considerer

      not so much that I (and/or we) don’t consciously recognize ‘our own’, we do, especially with the Wakefield Doctrine (which offers a number of the more subtle characteristics..all of which are useful in doing what we must do to make use of this Doctrine and that is to correctly infer the worldview of the other person.
      Once we do that, we are closer to understanding them, the why of their behavior (and you know, the Wakefield Doctrine does that differently too! lol we are all brought up to think, “I should try and understand why they act and behave the way they do“…and invariably we are waiting for the ‘reasons’ that other person must have to account for their behavior.
      The Doctrine takes a different approach…the ‘why’ in not a reason. the why is in the character of the world the person is living in…
      scotts are predators they don’t need a reason to be aggressive or impulsive, they have to be to live in the kind of world that they do… the world of predator and prey. rogers don’t have reason for feeling like they should follow the rules or respect the order of things, it is the only appropriate response, given the fact that their reality is ordered and social and connected and everything else.
      and clarks… tell me you wake up thinking, ‘well I guess I will act differently from everyone because that’s fun or I will keep a low profile because that’s the best way to get ahead in the world today..or I think I should hesitate to join in with others for the fun of it‘ no, you don’t! you do these things because you are an Outsider, your (personal) reality is that of the Outsider…it’s natural for you to act as you do… more, it is appropriate and a successful coping strategy, based on the way that you relate yourself to the world around you

      …no, what I wanted to say about recognizing other clarks is that I think there is a part of our thinking that fundamentally keeps us from identifying with other clarks… with the excpetion of the people who know about the Doctrine… of course

  16. GirlieOnTheEdge says:

    I agree with Amy.
    In a general sense, it isn’t natural for a clark to “reveal” themselves emotionally. We exhibit an innate reserve when in the presence of strangers that isn’t there when among friends (but even then sometimes…..).
    Observe a clark attending a function (of any type) that say, some of her/his friends are also attending. Alone, talking with total strangers, a clark will be polite, polished, professional. Put that same clark in the middle of friends at the buffet table and you would swear they were 2 different people!

    And…I agree with Considerer.
    I can relate to Considerer in the sense that I’ve been doing some rather in depth grooming of my own rogerian aspect, you know, trying to interact from a more naturally, emotive place. I pretty much began my “experiment” in accessing the worldview of a roger, somewhat clinically. Sort of going through the motions until little by little I found it much more comfortable being “emotional”. It became a little easier each time interacting with rogers. Let’s face it, clarks are perceived as stoic, cold fish a lot of the time. We (most clarks) are the best in times of emergency/catastrophe simply for our freakish ability to control/contain ourselves emotionally. (in horror movies, at that critical moment when the monsters have just breached the gates, clarks are never the ones yelling “RUN!” LOL)

    And still I agree with Clark.
    The country mile streak of cautious…that part. It’s there. Until we slip up. And that’s a good thing. There isn’t a clark on the planet that would say that “letting go” or “going wild” (emotionally) comes naturally. The cool thing is, it can be done! clarks are natural empaths…..the stuff’s got to go somewhere right? >:P

  17. Considerer says:

    @ Clark – no, you’re right. I (we) don’t wake up thinking that, yet, there are cues. But knowing the WD sure helps :) Keep forgetting I view the others through my own view and it’s not a finite thing.

    @ Girlie – copious amounts of alcohol can really help, as I know from experience. (Cyndi does, too…;) ) but I’ve never examined the roger clinically – this is where I am least familiar. I shall have to research.

    In other news – LOOK! I think this is our biggest week yet! Talk about the pre-emptive worries!

  18. Jak says:

    Well you aren’t doing too bad with the TToT Blog Hop for being a Clark. Could be a lot worse! You even went in list form which is impressive. It’s best to keep them guessing!

    You did get away with some weird linky maneuvers lol I have no idea what you were doing, or how those work, but they worked. You are sounding a little too drunk with excitement. Remember, with great power comes great responsibility! If not careful you will end up in Blogger Jail…

    What fun did you have with your clothing? More new products maybe?

    I still don’t think I saw Kristi? Hope all is well!

    Jak

    • clarkscottroger clarkscottroger says:

      @Jak

      hey thanks ….this Wakefield Doctrine, she a mean motor-scootter* but the thing about the Wakefield Doctrine is this: this Doctrine is a tool, it is not an answer. this Doctrine is a way of understanding, it is not a fact. this Doctrine is meant for you, not for them…
      (ok enough of the Master Po cryptic sayings)… word around the water cooler is that you might be a clark, now Considerer, just yesterday was asking me, “oh great and wise master of worldviews…where the hell are the guy clarks?”) lol

      I am making an effort with the TTofT and the Doctrine, damn it if it doesn’t manage to let me expand my worldviews… this is gonna be one helluva self-improvement system, once we get the bugs worked out. I personally extend my invitation (and you get your hand-stamped so you can get back in the club if you leave to show that cute girl how many stations you can get on your radio) to join and in tuning this thing up!

      *musico-cultural reference that I’m not even certain of

  19. Laughing my ass off at the whole second date thing. You’re SO right that UGH a thankful list is just going against the grain. I blew it off all weekend until I eeked out a crappy non-list at like midnight.
    Interesting point about the whole emotion thing. Internally, I’m actually quite emotional. I’m not sure why I don’t want to share them with others though. Is it because they are unworthy of my feelings or that I am untrustworthy of their ability to understand them? Hm. Or maybe it’s just “easier” to not let them in. Verrrry interesting (said in thick German accent for effect and a hint of sinister).
    Here’s to you getting your 400+ visits and not blog jail. How did Lizzi end up in blog jail in the first place? Scary.

    • clarkscottroger clarkscottroger says:

      @Kristi

      damn! if you didn’t already have a docTee, I would so be sending you one just for picking up on the ‘second date thing’ lol You know how you write things in a post that you like and figure everyone will pick up on (I mean, jeez!! the photo on the Post is the result of an image search: ‘second dates’)

      Hold that thought about emotions… that is a very important topic and I definitely need to get input from clarks on that matter, not that we need to ‘fix’ anything in ourselfs… but like the matter of the role of fear in our worldviews, our relationship with/strategies for dealing fear in our lives more to follow ( I was thinking about twittering this reply to you…but I have this fear of partylines lol) (plus I can’t think in 140 character

  20. Considerer says:

    @ Clark – Unnnnnnnnnnnh – is that *quite* how I put it? Somewhere in between LOLing at you antagonising Girlie…maybe I did, kemosabe!

    @ Kristi – well done you for sneaking in at the end there – I seeya! I got put in blog jail for ‘unusual activity’ and had to get a txt code to verify my account, which they then let me have back, but now I’m blacklisted by WordPress and am ending up in everyone’s spam folders for some reason. But the deletions of comments on my own blog seem to have died down now. You were the only one with the bad luck to get deleted that WASN’T one of my own comments.

    • clarkscottroger clarkscottroger says:

      @Considerer

      I haven’t gotten back to TTofT yet today, heckuva weekend you had! I got to meet some new people and, of course, the regulars… will stop back for a quick visit. (suspect there must be a new grammar developing to account for this mult-chrono-locational syntax*).

      * no, I am serious with that, and I would say the words outloud without the slightest hint of embarassment lol

  21. Considerer says:

    Well, that’s how the creoles were made, so let’s roll with it and see what we come up with :D Loving this.

    And yes – what a weekend!

  22. Jak says:

    @Clark

    Well, the only question I am curious about is: Was the water cooler half empty, or half full?

    I’d have to say the Clark aspect seems to coincide most with my (shameless alternative personality system plug) INFJ read out, which has remained the same for years. I will have to continue some research on the Doctrine to better understand the differences in worldviews.

    I think you are right about it being a great self-improvement tool. If the offer is open-ended (is that the term?) meaning available once I get a better grasp, I’d be interested. In the meantime, I feel like I would be prone to “mucking” things up.

    I’ve been known to break the internet.

    That and you have brunch at the oddest of hours ;-) lol

    • clarkscottroger clarkscottroger says:

      @Jak

      lol

      hey, I’ll be interested in any insights you have re Meyers Briggs UNFJ system and how the Doctrine ‘track’ with it… I am aware of a lot of the established personality typing systems, but do not profess any real under-standing of what they offer the users (or for that matter, how difficult they are to ‘work’). As I may have said in the Post, one of the best things about the Wakefield Doctrine is that it is an additional perspective on behavior (one that seems to work with an internal/external consistency that is, at time, pretty scary). So as you get more familiar with our little personality theory, let us know. ( I will be surprised if there is any system out there that professes to correlate a love of Ken Burns documentaries and a talent for engineering with an affinity for wearing corporate adorned bicycle spandex…lol)

      Now on the matter of the value of the Wakefield Doctrine as a tool for self-improving ourselves! there I will be totally non-self-effacing… it should be not only efficacious but fun! (and a little scary). The really cool thing is that we are in the process of learning and developing ways to use the principles of the Doctrine to create ‘programs or established methods’ for developing (our) secondary and tertiary aspects.

      As to getting a better grasp? nah, don’t worry about it, smart money around here has you pegged as a clark predominate (lol but in all seriousness, the rule is ‘only the individual can claim their predominant worldview. others can offer help and even opinions but ain’t nobody got the right to say, ‘you’re a clark or a scott or a roger’)
      I am also fond of saying to people learning about the Doctrine, ‘hey! look try it out.. you not only can’t break it, but you can’t get it wrong’ (you know that last is totally asterixeded lol)

      You know why I can say that and mean it?

      well, do you?

      stay tuned to the Afternoon Session for the answer to this and other intriguing questions!

  23. Joy says:

    Late on my comment round…

    How cool that you wrote you list “on the go” while you visited the other blogs and commented on them and all that! You are really unique (in a positive way)!

    BTW I still do not know whether I am clark, a scott or a roger…. :-/

    And BTW 2: On Sunday my blog had a visitor from Wakefield, United Kingdom ;-) Had to think of you immediately!

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