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		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 23:14:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;So grasshopper, you seek &#039;enlightenment&#039;...&quot;

I KNEW IT! Yer a freakin&#039; cult leader wannabe! HA!

Boy, are YOU in for a big surprise! I ain&#039;t YOUNG (turned 51 today, in fact), I ain&#039;t attractive (I married a nearly blind gal for a reason...), my version of &quot;Kumbaya&quot; sounds like nails on a chalkboard, and I ain&#039;t rollin in goods I can sign over to the tribe.

And if the average enquirer breaks out in a sweat, ain&#039;t that a &quot;good thing?&quot;

After all, fear is a terrific motivator!

Gotta go now... I need to shave my legs, otherwise that toga &quot;cult uniform&quot; is gonna look really stupid... :)

But I draw the line at anything that even remotely resembles &quot;heels...&quot; Not gonna do it... Nuh-uh!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;So grasshopper, you seek &#8216;enlightenment&#8217;&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>I KNEW IT! Yer a freakin&#8217; cult leader wannabe! HA!</p>
<p>Boy, are YOU in for a big surprise! I ain&#8217;t YOUNG (turned 51 today, in fact), I ain&#8217;t attractive (I married a nearly blind gal for a reason&#8230;), my version of &#8220;Kumbaya&#8221; sounds like nails on a chalkboard, and I ain&#8217;t rollin in goods I can sign over to the tribe.</p>
<p>And if the average enquirer breaks out in a sweat, ain&#8217;t that a &#8220;good thing?&#8221;</p>
<p>After all, fear is a terrific motivator!</p>
<p>Gotta go now&#8230; I need to shave my legs, otherwise that toga &#8220;cult uniform&#8221; is gonna look really stupid&#8230; :)</p>
<p>But I draw the line at anything that even remotely resembles &#8220;heels&#8230;&#8221; Not gonna do it&#8230; Nuh-uh!</p>
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clarkscottroger</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 18:08:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is possible to be (a)social(being) without being &#039;sociable&#039;.
The key to any of these three forms is, &#039;what is the key underlying assumption, about the world, is this person making&#039;?
You are right, those of us having this conversation, are by definition mutants (I kinda prefer the term &#039;enlightened&#039;). The quality that so few people (seem) to have is the willingness to imagine that their worldview is not the absolute final word.

Thanks for the feedback.
(That line about...&#039;herds&#039; are just &#039;food&#039;... is actually very advanced (in terms of the theory of clarks, scotts and rogers). I am not playing &#039;take away&#039;, but that element in the nature of rogers (and scotts) is very scary to average enquirer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is possible to be (a)social(being) without being &#8216;sociable&#8217;.<br />
The key to any of these three forms is, &#8216;what is the key underlying assumption, about the world, is this person making&#8217;?<br />
You are right, those of us having this conversation, are by definition mutants (I kinda prefer the term &#8216;enlightened&#8217;). The quality that so few people (seem) to have is the willingness to imagine that their worldview is not the absolute final word.</p>
<p>Thanks for the feedback.<br />
(That line about&#8230;&#8217;herds&#8217; are just &#8216;food&#8217;&#8230; is actually very advanced (in terms of the theory of clarks, scotts and rogers). I am not playing &#8216;take away&#8217;, but that element in the nature of rogers (and scotts) is very scary to average enquirer.</p>
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renaissanceronin</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 17:54:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can &quot;rogers&quot; be anti-social?

I mean, I got the &quot;dufas&quot; part... Big time. (Just ask my wife...) But... I&#039;m kinda worried, because, if they can&#039;t be anti-social (&quot;herds&quot; are just &quot;food&quot; by the way)... I must be a mutant, according to your logic. I&#039;m definitely a &quot;build strong walls, get behind them, and then dump hot oil on the unruly&quot; kinda guy.

Now, my therapist said I shouldn&#039;t be too hard on myself, because after all, I&#039;m &quot;just a sociopath...&quot; but seriously, I&#039;ve actually lived in caves out in the middle of nowhere. Hardly part of the &quot;Rogerian Revolution...&quot;

I&#039;m not liking where this is going... It&#039;s just going to cause my already fragile psyche to form yet another personality that my kid will have to try and explain away to his friends...  :)

Oy.. gotta go. I need to call my Rabbi... again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can &#8220;rogers&#8221; be anti-social?</p>
<p>I mean, I got the &#8220;dufas&#8221; part&#8230; Big time. (Just ask my wife&#8230;) But&#8230; I&#8217;m kinda worried, because, if they can&#8217;t be anti-social (&#8220;herds&#8221; are just &#8220;food&#8221; by the way)&#8230; I must be a mutant, according to your logic. I&#8217;m definitely a &#8220;build strong walls, get behind them, and then dump hot oil on the unruly&#8221; kinda guy.</p>
<p>Now, my therapist said I shouldn&#8217;t be too hard on myself, because after all, I&#8217;m &#8220;just a sociopath&#8230;&#8221; but seriously, I&#8217;ve actually lived in caves out in the middle of nowhere. Hardly part of the &#8220;Rogerian Revolution&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not liking where this is going&#8230; It&#8217;s just going to cause my already fragile psyche to form yet another personality that my kid will have to try and explain away to his friends&#8230;  :)</p>
<p>Oy.. gotta go. I need to call my Rabbi&#8230; again.</p>
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Clark</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 10:30:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...cult...damn I like the sounds of that!

In all seriousness, your reply is appreciated...roger

The thing about the Doctrine, is that a lot of using/applying and otherwise getting a benefit (from the Doctrine) comprises a fairly subjective process.
The rogerian &#039;worldview&#039; is that of a reality where quantifiable values are most desired and unquantifiable values are to simply be ignored. The &#039;feel&#039; of the rogerian worldview is comfortable to most of us because at the root of it is the idea that there is a community, that others share a common value system, in other words, there is a herd.
To be a part of the herd is the basic motivation to rogers.
So when you people write, no matter the subject, you find the common denominators to use to express your point of view.

So, in appreciation of your giving your time (to write the Reply above) I will give you this: you are not the typical roger. (None of us here are &#039;pure forms&#039;) You have a perspective, i.e. that reality involves choice and there is no objective/independent world &#039;out there&#039;.
And this ability, (to see above the herd), is harder on rogers than it is on the rest of us (clarks, and scotts.)

(Don&#039;t let the other rogers in your &#039;local herd&#039; see you &#039;looking up&#039;. They don&#039;t like it when a herd member looks up.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;cult&#8230;damn I like the sounds of that!</p>
<p>In all seriousness, your reply is appreciated&#8230;roger</p>
<p>The thing about the Doctrine, is that a lot of using/applying and otherwise getting a benefit (from the Doctrine) comprises a fairly subjective process.<br />
The rogerian &#8216;worldview&#8217; is that of a reality where quantifiable values are most desired and unquantifiable values are to simply be ignored. The &#8216;feel&#8217; of the rogerian worldview is comfortable to most of us because at the root of it is the idea that there is a community, that others share a common value system, in other words, there is a herd.<br />
To be a part of the herd is the basic motivation to rogers.<br />
So when you people write, no matter the subject, you find the common denominators to use to express your point of view.</p>
<p>So, in appreciation of your giving your time (to write the Reply above) I will give you this: you are not the typical roger. (None of us here are &#8216;pure forms&#8217;) You have a perspective, i.e. that reality involves choice and there is no objective/independent world &#8216;out there&#8217;.<br />
And this ability, (to see above the herd), is harder on rogers than it is on the rest of us (clarks, and scotts.)</p>
<p>(Don&#8217;t let the other rogers in your &#8216;local herd&#8217; see you &#8216;looking up&#8217;. They don&#8217;t like it when a herd member looks up.)</p>
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renaissanceronin</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 05:39:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What the hell happened to &quot;25 words or less?&quot;

Good Gawd, man... your posts are as long as mine! The only thing you&#039;re gonna &quot;cure&quot; is insomnia!  :)

And you said:

&quot;Most of everything that goes on inside our heads, is our efforts at trying to make sense of the world that we find ourselves in each day.&quot;

What head do you live inside? I mean, have you SEEN the inside of MY head? First, you&#039;re gonna need a machete just to hack thru the cobwebs. Then, you&#039;re gonna need blasting caps, to break thru all the plaque that has hardened around what you&#039;re evidently mistaking for a conscience.

You go on to say that;

&quot;We try, and in doing so, hopefully are able to live out the day as comfortably/profitably/virtuously as possible.&quot;

Hell, I&#039;m lucky to stay one step ahead of lawyers, process servers, and Law Enforcement Officials. Some alleged business involving widows and orphans...

I think that you&#039;re making this thing far too difficult, probably just so you can start a cult, and enlist young attractive people to your throng, so you can all sit around singing Kumbaya, as you impatiently wait for the aliens to land...

This&#039;d be a lot easier,if you&#039;d just started marketing a Magic 8-Ball with a three sided Die inside.

That way, we could just shake it up, and figure out if we be Clark, Scott, or some Dufas named Roger... And, best of all, no matter what, we&#039;d be right, about 33% of the time!

You wouldn&#039;t have to call it a Magic 8-Ball (cuz&#039; we all know that you&#039;d get banned, like Harry freakin Potter, for supporting &quot;witchcraft...&quot;), you could call it a Personality Investigation and Diagnostics Tool. Plus, that way you could get $295.00 for it...

(Of which I expect a healthy referral fee...) or else.

I have to go now... that nurse is coming.. with the needle...

Ronin</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What the hell happened to &#8220;25 words or less?&#8221;</p>
<p>Good Gawd, man&#8230; your posts are as long as mine! The only thing you&#8217;re gonna &#8220;cure&#8221; is insomnia!  :)</p>
<p>And you said:</p>
<p>&#8220;Most of everything that goes on inside our heads, is our efforts at trying to make sense of the world that we find ourselves in each day.&#8221;</p>
<p>What head do you live inside? I mean, have you SEEN the inside of MY head? First, you&#8217;re gonna need a machete just to hack thru the cobwebs. Then, you&#8217;re gonna need blasting caps, to break thru all the plaque that has hardened around what you&#8217;re evidently mistaking for a conscience.</p>
<p>You go on to say that;</p>
<p>&#8220;We try, and in doing so, hopefully are able to live out the day as comfortably/profitably/virtuously as possible.&#8221;</p>
<p>Hell, I&#8217;m lucky to stay one step ahead of lawyers, process servers, and Law Enforcement Officials. Some alleged business involving widows and orphans&#8230;</p>
<p>I think that you&#8217;re making this thing far too difficult, probably just so you can start a cult, and enlist young attractive people to your throng, so you can all sit around singing Kumbaya, as you impatiently wait for the aliens to land&#8230;</p>
<p>This&#8217;d be a lot easier,if you&#8217;d just started marketing a Magic 8-Ball with a three sided Die inside.</p>
<p>That way, we could just shake it up, and figure out if we be Clark, Scott, or some Dufas named Roger&#8230; And, best of all, no matter what, we&#8217;d be right, about 33% of the time!</p>
<p>You wouldn&#8217;t have to call it a Magic 8-Ball (cuz&#8217; we all know that you&#8217;d get banned, like Harry freakin Potter, for supporting &#8220;witchcraft&#8230;&#8221;), you could call it a Personality Investigation and Diagnostics Tool. Plus, that way you could get $295.00 for it&#8230;</p>
<p>(Of which I expect a healthy referral fee&#8230;) or else.</p>
<p>I have to go now&#8230; that nurse is coming.. with the needle&#8230;</p>
<p>Ronin</p>
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